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fordtrucks-digest Digest Volume 97 : Issue 72

Today's Topics:

Re: 351M Mileage Master (20+ mpg) [nat ]
Power Steering [Andy Aydelott ]
Re: Power Steering ["The Zahn's" ]
Re: Rear End Gear Oil [LenJG aol.com ]
air ["Ryan Penner" ]
Re: 97 F-350 pulls ["Jim" ]
Re: Once again, its an issue. [marko helix.net (marko maryniak) ]
97 F350 alignment [yhtlines surfari.net ]
Re: Electrical Problem ["James A. Doty" ]
Re: 351M Mileage Master (20+ mpg) [Ken Payne ]
Re: Rear End Gear Oil [Ken Payne ]
Re: 1939 Ford Pickup [Ken Payne ]
Re: 1939 Ford Pickup [Bill Flood ]
Heater upgrade [Paul ]
slow boat conclusion I hope [Eric Houkal ]
Re: 351M Mileage Master (20+ mpg) [Daver ]
Re: 97 F-350 pulls [William Sabers
Re: 97 F-350 pulls [William Sabers
t t t turn and face the strange chan ["Jim" ]

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Date: Sun, 27 Apr 1997 15:43:56 +1000
From: nat
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Don Grossman wrote:
>>
>> All of this 20+ mpg is getting on my nerves. The 390 in my 63 only >does
>> about 8 uphill, downhill, empty, full and about 7 with a headwind. I
>> like the 3rd gear burnouts thou +-)
>> --
>> Don Grossman
>> duckdon pacific.net
>
>Yeh I Know. The buauty of it is though, The number of horses you can
>get in there and still get the same 8 MPG it ammazingly consistant.
>
>Molater
>
>Daver

I can't believe what I am reading...what 20 miles per gallon, you know
that is like about 8kilometres per litre of fuel here. From australia,
I got to convert the numbers around.

I get in my ol' Falcon Truck/ute say 5.3 -7 kilometres per litre of
fuel. And it's only got a 302 cleveland and a c4 in it...I suppose its
only a 2bbl heads and manifold...but I think that my problem is the damn
stupid carter thermoquad that sits on it.
Thats about say 13 and 1/4 mpg to about 17mpg on a highway....what do I
have to do to get your figures.??? The way I'm going, Imight as well get
a bigger motor...for the same fuel economy I suppose. :)

nat

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Date: Sat, 26 Apr 1997 22:28:04 -0700
From: Andy Aydelott
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Subject: Power Steering
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I am re-sending this just in case it did not go across before.

Has anyone had experience converting from manual to power steering on a
1967 F250 4x4???
Looking for anyone that has info on how to do it (or done it) or any
company that sells conversion kits for it.
Also looking for good source for steering parts (tie rods, drag link)
for same truck.

Thanks in advance for any information.

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Date: Sat, 26 Apr 1997 22:52:57 -0700
From: "The Zahn's"
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Hi Andy,
I have a 71 F350 which I installed power stearing where the manual
stearing was. It was a bold in operation. I went to a salvage yard that
had rebuilt power stearing boxes. You have to change the stearing column
also because they are different lengths. This worked out for me because I
had also changed the transmission to an automatic a year before and wanted
a column shifter. Of course mine was not a 4X4 so it might be a little
different. Another problem I have had was the bolts that hold the stearing
box to the frame have broken. Be sure to get hardened 7/16" bolts. This
has happened twice on a E250 and once on my F350. I learned to drill a
hole in the end of the bolt or cut a slot so that the broke piece can be
removed easily with an easyout or a sloted screwdriver.
FRiEnDly FRED
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From: Andy Aydelott
To: fordtrucks lofcom.com
Subject: Power Steering
Date: Saturday, April 26, 1997 10:28 PM

I am re-sending this just in case it did not go across before.

Has anyone had experience converting from manual to power steering on a
1967 F250 4x4???
Looking for anyone that has info on how to do it (or done it) or any
company that sells conversion kits for it.
Also looking for good source for steering parts (tie rods, drag link)
for same truck.

Thanks in advance for any information.


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Date: Sun, 27 Apr 1997 02:47:14 -0400 (EDT)
From: LenJG aol.com
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Subject: Re: Rear End Gear Oil
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Well this is a subject that I too have just had the pleasure of dealing with
myself. Mine started out with a grind going into 2nd and 4th gear upshifting
and down shifting but it did not do it all of the time. Then one day I was
leaving work and it started grinding going into 3rd gear all the time. This
went on for about three weeks and it did not matter wether or not I was
driving it easy or going through the gears in quick order it just didn't
matter. So I took it to the dealer and they confirmed that the tranny was on
the unhealthy side of being driveable without a high level of anger and
frustration since the truck only has 46,000 miles on it. My truck is a '92
F-150 S.C. 4X4 302 with the M5OD Mazda tranny. After talking to a few people
around here and at the dealer they confirmed my exact thoughts on this
tranny. It is a very weak link in the otherwise stout drivetrain. The
transmission man at the dealer told me that he has done a quite a bit of work
on this trans. and is not a bit impressed with its performance records in the
2 wheel drive trucks much less the 4X4 models. Because of the design and
this being a light duty transmission they found that automatic transmission
fluid worked best in it. The heavier gear oil in these transmissions caused
it to be very hard to shift and kept metal shavings suspended in the oil
wcich would cause premature bearing failure do to the bearing design. So yes
ATF is becoming more common place in the transmissions of later model
vehicles with a standard trans. Thank goodness I went ahead and bought the
extended warranty on this or I would have had to shell out about $1,500 on
the transmission alone for the work that they did (i.e. all of the bearings,
syncros, shifter fork, and a couple of gears). The dealer dealer was partly
right that this is common problem but I would be cautious to say that it is
just fine and keep an eye and an ear on your problem in case it does get
worse. You did not mention haow many mile were on the truck since you should
be still under the 36 month part of your warranty, if it has less than 36,000
miles on it I would try having your dealer check into the tranny before it
goes out of warranty and you have to pay for it youself it could get a little
expensive. If it is out of warranty and you would like to replace it youself
I have a connection to transmission rebuilder, warehouser that supplies a lot
of transmission shops with rebuilt transmissions and other related parts. If
anybody is interested in this information I will send it via E-mail and not
through the list since it could be considered an advertisement and I don't
want to push those bounderies of wether it is or not. My E-mail address is
LenJG AOL.com

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Date: Sat, 26 Apr 97 20:21:45 UT
From: "Ryan Penner"
To: "fordtrucks"
Subject: air
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I think I have solved it! I belive that my "misfire" is in fact air bubbles
in my fuel injection system. Now how would I go about fixing this?

ryan

91' FORD F-150 CUSTOM

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Date: Sun, 27 Apr 1997 02:03:48 -0700
From: "Jim"
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Hi, sounds like a problem all right! Do you find the looseness in both
wheels or just the side it pulls to? also it will be important to identify
where the movement is coming from because more than likely it will be the
cause. It would be my guess you have a bad wheel bearing! I would bring it
back and tell the service manager what you have found and demand it be
fixed! '97 4x4 must have put you back some major ducketts! Good luck! let
us know how it turns out?
Later!

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From: Todd Muccilli
To: fordtrucks lofcom.com
Subject: 97 F-350 pulls
Date: Saturday, April 26, 1997 7:05 PM

I may have posted this question to the list before--my apologies, but I
still
have not solved the problem.

I have a 97 F-350 regular cab 4x4. The truck pulls to the right. I
consistently
hold the wheel slightly to the left to keep it on the road. The first time
it
went back to the dealer, they blamed the crown of the road. I didn't buy
that.
The second time it went back, they sent it out to a local front end shop
who
checked/reset the toe in the front end. That still didn't do it so they
moved
the tires around twice. The truck continued to pull.

Before they randomly start pulling and replacing front end parts, what
should I
look at next? I still suspect camber/caster which seem a little off based
on the
alignment report the front-end shop provided, but they didn't seem
concerned
about it (I can post the entire report if it might help someone help me
make a
diagnosis). I have measured the distance between axles and checkedaround
underneath the truck, and all seems OK.

The only other unusual note I've made about the front end of this truck is
that
it clunks at low speed when the wheel is turned slightly. It's most
noticeable
when the truck is stopped, the brake is applied, and the wheel is rocked to
the
left or the right--something in the front end is apparently "giving" before
the
tires move, but I haven't been able to identify if it's a spring or a ball
joint
or what.

Any suggestions are appreciated. Thanks in advance.

Todd
muccilli rci.rutgers.edu


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Date: Sun, 27 Apr 1997 02:20:30 -0700
From: marko helix.net (marko maryniak)
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Subject: Re: Once again, its an issue.
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Ken Payne wrote,

>Today ...Opinions?

I'm all for the split as well. Count my vote. It's interesting, but a bit
much, talking about Rangers and Bronco IIs and Powerstrokes in the same
forum as 390's and flathead sixes.

I vote we split the list from 80 on, or even from 76 on. And I'll pay if
need be.

marko in vancouver

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Date: Sun, 27 Apr 1997 06:01:02 -0700
From: yhtlines surfari.net
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Subject: 97 F350 alignment
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Todd wrote:
>I have a 97 F-350 regular cab 4x4. The truck pulls to the right. I
consistently
>hold the wheel slightly to the left to keep it on the road. The first time it
>went back to the dealer, they blamed the crown of the road. I didn't buy
that.
>The second time it went back, they sent it out to a local front end shop who
>checked/reset the toe in the front end. That still didn't do it so they moved
>the tires around twice. The truck continued to pull."
my 95 F150 started drifting/pulling to the right. It had been aligned at the
dealer under warranty. I took it to an independent shop that I trusted (took
my 83 4x ranger there ). THey set everything, including installation of an
aftermarket eccentic bushing for camber or caster (can't remember which).
THis is pretty standard for these front ends. I want to take the F150 back
in again as the effort to do a lane change to the left is too high for my
liking. Tire wear is still good.
Once I finally got the alignment straightened out on my Ranger, it went
200,000 miles with out an alignment or tire wear. Its important to find a
front end man you can trust. And talk to. THere's a lot of BS out there. And
the shop owner may only care about turn over. People do know how to
straighten these things out, but apparently not FORD or their dealers!!!
The popping noise may actually be something, but these swing arm beasts will
do that noise also. Can you get down there and listen while someone runs
the wheels back/forth?
Dave Lampert

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Date: Sun, 27 Apr 1997 08:30:25 -0700 (PDT)
From: "James A. Doty"
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Mine was the same way. It still turned out to be the starter though.
I'd have a friend come over, we'd hook the cables up and my starter
would turn over just fine. I suspect it was because of the additional
current from his battery.....

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